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Scottish Independence referendum part 2

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion and Ethics' started by Timmers, Mar 13, 2017.

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  1. Bluebird71
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    Bluebird71 Well-Known Member

    Perhaps now you can assure me that Mhairi Black is quitting parliament because it's too much like hard work. I don't mind being corrected ;-)
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  2. Dave_E
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    Dave_E Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    See your doctor, he has an ointment for that. :like:
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  3. Bluebird71
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    https://www.theguardian.com/politic...depressing-parliament-after-single-term-as-mp

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4308314/SNP-MP-Mhairi-Black-says-hates-Westminster.html

    For the interest of balance, one left wing, one right wing. These are the types of articles that cover the proposed resignation of "work-shy" MP Black. She appears to be stating that there is too much work for too little reward in Westminster. Markham's put a different interpretation on it, as he does with most things.
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  4. Bluebird71
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    Just so long as he doesn't stick his finger up my arse again. I don't mind, but I only went to see him about a ear infection.
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  5. Scotschap16
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    Scotschap16 Well-Known Member

    Goodnight chaps -- we have an eclectic bunch here - and we all agree (I hope) that diversity is a good thing!

    Hopefully, one day, I'll get the chance to debate in person over a few beers. Always good to put the world to rights over a pint or three of Fuller's London Pride or Bass or Director's!

    Slainte!

    Gerry
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  6. Markham
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    What she said was "It is a pain to come up and down every week and you are working with a number of people you find quite troubling." which I interpreted as meaning that it was hard (work) for her to travel between Scotland and London twice a week. I agree that she did then go on to say "it was a waste of time". If she's put off by the travelling and feels the Commons is too old-fashioned for her young taste, why did she put her name forward for inclusion on the ballot paper. That said, she has participated in more debates than most of her colleagues who seem to treat the House as being a cross between a pub and a football stadium.
  7. Bluebird71
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    Maybe she thought she could change it, being a member of the third largest party? I remember her maiden speech, and most of what she said struck a chord for me. I'd assume she travels by train or car, so she could be spending hours stuck on a carriage that she feels would be more profitable in her office. You can't know these things until you've participated in them, I guess. However, a quick research indicates that she is a very active MP and it would be a shame if she gave it up, purely because so many MPs (of all parties) put in a questionable amount of work.
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  8. Bootsonground
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  9. Aromulus
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    Aromulus The Don Staff Member

    One can debate and argue until blue in tha face but the simple fact staring at us is that the UK is coming out of the Eu.
    Finally, the will of the majority, for once, is being acted on.

    In the interest of harmony, everyone should now be pulling together and try for unity to make this country "Great" again.

    Like it or not, it will be a very difficult ride for a while, as things get settled and deals struck, but at the end, the freedom of a proper sovereign nation unshackled from European political chains, will show the way to other subjugated countries to a happier future.

    I dearly wish, Italy would see sense, amend the constitution just that little bit as to allow a referendum for leaving the EU and the Euro.
    But unfortunately, apart from a couple of notorious and vociferous "elements", the political elite is so engrossed in scr"""g their own country folks left, right, and centre that bar a civil uprising taking place, nothing will change.
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  10. Markham
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    As her travel expenses are paid by you and I, she could travel by plane and probably does. She and her colleague John Nicolson do seem to be more 'mature' in that they ask their question or get their point across without resorting to acrimony that many in that party regularly espouse.
  11. Aromulus
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    I think it is a veiled way to express that she may be slightly disillusioned by her party colleagues overall behaviour.
  12. Timmers
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    Timmers Well-Known Member Trusted Member

    I'm guessing there is more to this than she is letting on personally, maybe she is not respected by her peers because of her age.
  13. Aromulus
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    Aromulus The Don Staff Member

    I am afraid for Scotland, I am actually terrified by what may happen to them if they vote for Indipendence.

    One of my colleagues, now retired, is quite vociferous on the subject, and keeps appearing with a boring regularity on my Facebook feed, liking this that or the other, which frankly shows up what a, inveterate xenophobe he really is.

    this morning, he posted a comment on a page for "Catalans for yes"
    so, I started following some of the exchanges....... No point really for the sensible and of clear mind ones to write anything, because they are belittled, humiliated and insulted to the point of giving up.
    I am appalled at the level of ignorance and blinkered bigotry with which some posters approach the subject.
    They seem to be in a frenzy.........

    I have never seen in my life, anybody more divisive and hate mongering than the wee krankie..

    One particular poster, actually said, that if they don't vote "yes", scotland will lose free prescription, free uni places, free tolls, bedroom tax........... + other free tuff I forgot...

    Muggins down south of the border are paying for all that!!!!!!!!!!!

    I am starting to think that, maybe, "R" Hadrian was right all along............

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  14. Markham
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    According to a new poll by YouGov, the majority of Scots - 56% to 43% - reject independence whilst ComRes found that only 25% of Scots want Scotland to be independent whilst 58% reject that notion.
  15. Timmers
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    I don't have much confidence in the polls at the moment :), I think a lot will depend on the spin the leave and remain camps employ, Sturgeon feels reinvigorated because of the Brexit result, which could also work against her of course :)
  16. Scotschap16
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    Many's a slip 'twixt the cup and lip'!

    Still can't see it happening but "game on!"
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  17. Scotschap16
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    Perhaps in that case the rest of the UK would be better jettisoning the subsidy junkies in perfidious Alba!
  18. Aromulus
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    I wouldn't say that "Alba" as such is perfidious at all.........
    Like every country in the world, there is good, not so good and worse......

    Unfortunately, a few people, do have a huge chip on their shoulders, and it is not up to me to criticize the reasons why, only I reckon that it is about time that this william wallace attitude towards the english belongs to the past........
    Yes, rivalry is healthy, but unleash it on rugby or football fields, with passion, not hate.
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  19. Markham
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    Well, yes, there's always that to look forward to but I really doubt Little Miss Shouty will want non-Albans to decide the matter - she'd be too afraid of getting the wrong answer.

    It's all very well for Sturgeon and Angus Robertson to complain that Westminster has failed to reach an agreement with Scots regarding the Brexit negotiations and use that as an excuse to disrupt the Brexit process with an unnecessary - and unwinable - referendum. Unfortunately for them, their credibility took a hose-dive today when Brexit Minister David Davis gave evidence to the Brexit Select Committee today. He was asked how the Prime Minister's pledge to take a 'UK-wide approach' to talks squared with dismissing Scotland's demands to stay in the single market: in reply he made it clear he felt the Nationalists had been determined to undermine the process. "The phrase is seek to agree – if one side doesn't want to agree, which I'm afraid has been the position of the Scottish Government from time to time, there is no way seek to agree can turn into agree," he said and added "the stance of the Scottish Government on this has been frankly a very political one, not necessarily in the interests of the people they represent."

    The question I would really like an answer to is: are you going to continue spending £1000 more on those living north of Hadrian's Wall compared to the sum spent on the English and Welsh? If so, how will you fund that - by taxation or the Corbynomics' solution of borrowing an extra half a trillion? Scotland's 5 million population has a greater percentage of economically-inactive persons than elsewhere in the UK so with fewer taxpayers paying for more pensioners and other claimants, there'll have to be a significant hike in taxes just to maintain current spending levels.
  20. graham59
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    Simple question:

    Surely the Scots benefit more in financial terms alone by being a part of the UK ?

    Why are they voting for this woman to drag them into poverty ?

    It would be a long long time before they were able to once again suck on the EU tit.

    Presumably the English (out of sheer compassion ?) would continue to provide an armed defence force for our neighbours North of the new strictly controlled and patrolled border ?
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