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Seems Duterte means business.

Discussion in 'General Chit Chat' started by Bootsonground, Jul 11, 2016.

  1. Markham
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    No, sir, no girlie bars in Davao. There was a go-go bar in Buhangin, just this side of the airport, but, I'm told, it didn't have any ladies of negotiable affection and closed a couple of years ago in any event.
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    Happy to hear that. Presumably the trafficking reported was for local consumption.
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    Strictly not allowed here in Bohol!!!
  4. Markham
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    I believe so, yes.

    But quite a few young girls from Bohol have been trafficked over to Cebu by some not very nice ladies ...
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    My opinion of Senator Trillanes has changed a great deal in the past few months. I had unthinkingly gone along with the propaganda about "triple treason Trillanes", and so on. I have watched his behaviour in recent months and been impressed, and that led me t look back over his biography. Protesting about corruption in military procurement isn't "treason", any more than doing for Aquino exactly what Ramos has been asked to do by Duterte is "treason".

    This is a good speech;

    http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/821631/duterte-admin-self-destructing-no-need-for-coup-trillanes
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  8. Scotschap16
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    Extra-judicial killings by shady death squads does not a functioning democracy make. It's really as simple as that. Due process has to be established and followed or everyone's lives are in the hands of those who control the guys with the guns.
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  9. Bootsonground
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    Due process??? In the R.P??? lol..
    Like I said before...Half a roll of duct tape and a single bullet would be far kinder... Call it a mercy killing.
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    Which is exactly why I said "established"!

    Sad to say there are hundreds of millions of the earth's population living under some form of autocratic / undemocratic / violent / theocratic / dictator-led oppression.

    I of course well understand why Pres D was elected with such a strong mandate - largely from the dispossessed - but it's clear to any observer that the country he leads can possibly be regarded as a failed state - or one teetering on the brink.

    It is for this reason that I could never contemplate retiring to Phils to stay.

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    People bleat on and on about these so called "extrajudicial killings" since they have become a sensation in the oppositions yellow liberal press ..
    Its very sad that they really failed to be so vocal so long before he was elected..
    I could post links to all kinds of atrocities from 1990 till 2015, but I`m sure most people know what I`m talking about.
    16 million gave this guy a clear mandate..Its their country..Let their will be done.
    None of our business.
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    An abuse of human rights is an abuse of human rights - whenever & wherever it takes place - and by whom. A killing without due process is murder.
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    Agreed,but since there is no process its then a balance between the murder of criminals before they can murder innocents.
    I know what I prefer under these circumstances.
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    Still drinking the Kool Aide, I see. Amongst the three and a half thousand bodies, one British national killed, one Australian, one American, a five year old and a four year old, all of whom were obviously about to go and murder innocents... oh, hang on, they were innocents...
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  15. Bootsonground
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    Tragedies like this never happened before DU30?
    Ive searched this forum and cant seem to find a relevant thread in regards drug related atrocities of the past or even a thread that expressed the slightest concern about murdered innocents from you Johnny come lately do gooders..
    I could be wrong as I never could get used to using the search function for optimal results.
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  16. Methersgate
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    Well, I'll have to give you that one, Boots, 'cos I have only been around since 1986, and if I list half the Filipino and Filipina Johnny come lately do gooders who see it my way, Graham will say I am name dropping again. :)
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    Either that, or you'll be called a Liberal.
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  18. Markham
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    I don't agree one bit with extra-judicial killings, be they 'sanctioned' or not. However what many seem to (conveniently) overlook is the fact that before Duterte was elected President, there were many, many drugs-related deaths every year; most were unreported and not included in any official statistics. But anyone who has lived in the country will know this to be true. And it was a growing problem that previous administrations couldn't be bothered to tackle - were they benefiting from the trade? Who knows, maybe. But one thing is for sure, Duterte has been elected with the largest mandate in recent history and his proposed war on drugs was well publicised in advance of that election.
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    Of course..I was not referring to length of physical stay but the total length of forum commentary or media columns and the total lack of empathy or concern about human rights of everyone here since long before the DU30 admin.
    "Johnny come lately" was in reference to the human rights commentators/reporters now suddenly coming out of the woodwork like termites.

    Here`s an interesting article from Get real Philippines about human rights and our equal rights to it..

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    Human rights are universal, applying to all human beings, right? Poor, rich, criminals, police, politicians, businessmen, shop owners, workers, students: everyone is entitled to the recognition and respect of his/her human rights. Human rights law, and law enforcement, exist to protect all.

    In the Philippines, the call to respect human rights is being used to impede President Duterte’s war against drugs and criminality. His critics accuse PDU30 of unleashing a national death squad with impunity. Some wonder where civility has gone, when the madness will end, and why most Filipinos lustily cheer news of drug-related killings. Perhaps, as a final blow to the traditional corrupt politicians whose job it was/is to address these same social problems (and, instead, profited from them in the past), most Filipinos see this as the final solution to end the prevalence of drug trafficking, drug-addiction, all sorts of heinous crimes and their umbilical cord to corrupt politicians, government officials, and members of the police, military, and the judiciary.

    I used to dismiss the growing hysterical frenzy as the traditional reaction of sore losers, but after giving this more thought, I am now convinced that Duterte’s detractors are behind the magnified allegations of human rights violations. Excessively distorted in their intellectual bias, these detractors upon seeing their golden geese fleeing or dropping like flies began labeling each death as an extrajudicial killing, a misnomer that Senator Cayetano brilliantly clarified in a senate hearing through a “patient” reading of Administrative Order (AO) 35 series of 2012:

    “Extra-Legal Killings (ELK) or Extra-Judicial Killings (EJK)—refer to killings wherein: a. The victim was either: i. A member of, or affiliated with an organization, to include political, environmental, agrarian, labor, or similar causes; or ii. An advocate of above-named causes; or iii. A media practitioner; or iv. Person(s) apparently mistaken or identified to be so. b. The victim was targeted and killed because of his/her actual or perceived membership, advocacy, or profession; c. The person/s responsible for the killing is a state agent or non-state agent; d. The method and circumstances of the attack reveal a deliberate intent to kill. Killings related to common criminals and/or the perpetration of their crimes shall be addressed by other appropriate mechanisms within the justice system.”

    Until a few months ago, these same killings were called murder, homicide, shootouts and riding-in-tandem hits. Now, every death associated with police efforts in drug raids is labeled extrajudicial killings or EJK. Why the sudden change in terminology?

    It’s the media, stupid, showing once again their corrupt paid-for-hire roots. We the people, who don’t believe all the s… media oozes out, blame them for this, for using EJKs loosely to discredit the President’s war against drugs and crimes.

    PDU30’s detractors continue to raise the flag of righteous indignation, hiring the services of human rights organization and advocates.

    Who exactly are these people?

    1. Media.
    2. United Nations.
    3. Commission on Human Rights.
    4. Religious groups and church leaders.
    5. Anti-Duterte supporters (or the sore losers of May 2016).
    Influencing, persuading, and convincing these diverse interest groups to get their message across makes them nothing but “Human Rights for Hire”.

    Paid hacks with their own selfish agenda under the guise of protecting the common good.

    How convenient it is to criticize Duterte despite the unbelievable feats achieved in his first 60 days as President. Never in my lifetime have I seen such an intense and focused effort to eliminate drugs and criminality. I am very surprised how gigantic is the illegal drug octopus in our country, and I never expected such a large-scale business actually existed, it’s tentacles slithering into so many pockets (and orifices). It is indeed a revelation for common people like me that this drug problem is a pandemic.

    I tremble in fear knowing that the drug menace has been around for decades. I tremble more in knowing that the drug lord and pushers are protected by the same people who are supposed to protect me and my family. I piss-in-my-pants and tremble when authorities downplay the problem as a health issue that can be solved with rehabilitation.

    OMG! They totally miss the point.

    There can be no peace and order in our country if the police, politicians, judges, government officials are corrupt. There can be no economic progress if scores of drug addicts continue to wreak havoc in our homes and our streets by killing, stealing and raping women and children. There are close to four million drug addicts in this country. Please give me at least one reason why our President’s war against drugs is not good.

    Don’t I and my family also have human rights?

    We have the right to a just and orderly society, a society built on the foundations of social justice and the common good.

    Wait, that’s not all.

    During the election campaign, I asked my wife why the opponents of Presidential candidate Duterte were unusually mum about his anti-drug problem platform. They were silent, which made me suspicious. Nobody cared. I theorized that, probably, most of the other candidates are connected to the drug-trade. My gut feel was strong that the drug syndicate went all the way up to the highest officials of the land.

    When President Duterte exposed the list of police, local government officials, and judges who are drug lord coddlers, I was not surprised. I was ecstatic that the news confirmed my suspicions, and at long last, we now have a leader who can throw these corrupt people into a place where they rightly belong: jail.

    The collective efforts of human rights-for-hire groups don’t seem to get any traction. I hope that one day, they realize the futility of their tricks, and that black propaganda does more harm than good in our fledging nation.

    According to the great German writer and statesman Johann Wolfgang Goethe: “Things that matter most must never be at the mercy of things that matter least”, a brilliant quote that best describes Duterte’s sense of priorities. What matters most is peace and stability in our country; what matters least are the criticisms and comments of the human rights-for-hire people.

    Human rights are universal, for all humans including me, and this is my right to express my opinion.

    You have this right too. Claim it. It’s yours. It’s free.

    Postscript: As I write this article, I received terrible news about the explosion in a Davao night market that killed 14 and injured many others. The terrorist group Abu Sayyaf claimed responsibility.

    As the President prepares to unleash hell, don’t be surprised if the human rights-for-hire groups call for the protection of the human rights of the Abu Sayyaf terrorists. And as for the ordinary Davaoeños who suffered from the terrorist act? I hope the human rights-for-hire groups don’t say the poor victims had it coming..

    http://www.getrealphilippines.com/blog/2016/09/human-rights-hire/
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