Visiting European Countries

Yeah it is refreshable.

I too am concerned about all the testing and how to go about it before return from the Philippines in January.

Sensible move, wait and see if the virus will burn itself out on the wealthier travelling nations before taking a chance of importing any more variants, while their own vaccination programme is still ongoing, they have been fairly slow so far I am guessing supply problems.

The Delta variant is one of the most infectious viruses in the world, its mutations allow it to replicate 1000 times more than the original wild type virus, all along this has been an airborne disease spread in aerosols, the advice early on about washing hands and surfaces was overkill as that was not the primary way it was spreading, it wasn't even coughs and droplets allow they would have infected other others around them it was mostly in the aerosol people breathe out with every breath, Delta fills each breath with many many more virus particles then the original.

New Zealand have the right idea but even they might not be able to stop it if it is Delta.

My first comment regards European holidays this year was in this post Visiting European Countries

My statement was that it would depend on vaccination rates in the target country or countries, well the EU now has 6 countries ahead of the UK in terms of total vaccinated population percentage, they were not in that position in May, France has almost caught up with the UK and is currently administering 10 times the number of daily first doses as the UK therefore like much of the rest of Europe will overtake the UK in terms of vaccination pretty soon.

And from a cases per day and deaths standpoint Germany is in a far better position than we are or have been, even when faced with Delta.

I've gone through most of this thread again since April and nobody was suggesting anything other than being cautious about being overoptimistic.

It was an expression used by John Ash much earlier in the thread Mystica meaning don't count your chickens until they are hatched or don't presume you know the outcome of something that is still happening right now.

Mattecube was probably not responding to your post but in general to the thread

Sinovac is a traditional inactivated virus vaccine, they are injecting you with real COVID but in a form that is harmless, some real world studies show that it is still preventing a lot of hospitalisation and a lot of deaths but overall it is not stopping infections, so having Sinovac is still way better than nothing.