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Coronavirus in the UK

Discussion in 'Health and Fitness' started by aposhark, Mar 4, 2020.

  1. Anon220806
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    Anon220806 Well-Known Member

    Drive through but unassisted.
  2. oss
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    oss Somewhere Staff Member

    I totally agree but he is predicating much wider spread than the testing actually implies.

    He is assuming much wider spread without evidence the testing would show this as there has been at least some random testing, also antibody testing would show population penetration even if many people don't have antibodies and relied on T-Cell lymphocytes to target infected cells.

    My T-Cells are permanently fighting the infection in my literally bleeding arse, so I consider myself immuno compromised :D

    Deaths are rising in the Philippines.

    And then Iceland.



    Between a half to 5 times worse than an average flu, 0.06% is average flu.

    I hope he is right.
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  3. oss
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    I just reached the Hydroxychloroquine comments and his credibility dropped dramatically.

    I take his points but his reaction is not that of a scientist and if science has become that politicised well **** it we are all doomed.

    edit: I am reading the earlier posts (earlier in time).

    edit 2: give me peer reviewed published papers and I'll listen, but I'm not trusting blogs.
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  4. oss
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    Ok I know you won't like the "Far-out claims" paragraph in this link.

    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Malcolm_Kendrick

    I am eating scrambled eggs every day (2 medium or large eggs) and my gut feels much better for it, strangely my bowel movements are smoother, I'll give you some magic points on that John even though you didn't suggest it but scrambled eggs seem to help my guts and I really like them :D

    Weight, well stable just now :)

    Kendrick though currently does not pass my sniff tests and here and now I will state that I think he is outright wrong, bookmark this post John and when I get proved wrong make a point of bringing it up and reminding me of this post I will happily accept being wrong and will give credit to you where it is due!
  5. Anon220806
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    I agree with him. And GPs are proving that saturated fats are healthy as they improve patients health conditions week in week out, de prescribing and reversing chronic conditions. Some surgeries near you are doing just that. The proof of the pudding is in the eating and not in the RCT.

    Take a look what is in an egg. Mother Nature has used it since the dawn of time. Why would Mother Nature succeed over such a long time frame with a food that is harmful? Full of vitamin d by the way. And a couple of eggs, especially made as scrambled egg with double cream (no toast) and sausage and bacon keeps me full all morning. Weight is down and cholesterol is perfect.

    Not sure why they picked on Kendrick. There are so many other beside him. All GPs at the coal face.

    Quoting “He is best known for his controversial claim that high blood cholesterol does not increase the risk of heart disease.“

    He is exactly right. My risk of heart disease has been radically reduced while my cholesterol levels are up. This is being repeated again and again. This is happening very frequently now. Did you ever watch the video I posted a month ago on saturated fat?

    You and I have been indoctrinated into the opposite way of thinking most of our lives based on no proper science whatsoever.

    Have you looked at the science behind the initial recommendations on the demonising of saturated fat? There isn’t any.
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  6. oss
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    Yeah I know you agree with him and I'm not arguing with the saturated fats stuff.

    Don't think he is being picked on as such they are commenting on signs of non scientific comment.

    Eggs yes they are great but you can't live on eggs alone there is no vitamin C for a start, and remember that eggs were designed by nature to produce more eggs via an intermediary one of which is called a chicken :D they were not designed as a food source :D

    'A zygote is a gamete's way of producing more gametes' that's something I learned some 42 years ago or at least a concept and point of view that I was introduced to way back then :D

    Can't remember if I watched that video.

    There has been a statistical link been heart disease and cholesterol for many decades it is unlikely that statistical connection is wrong, however it may well be that the connection is not causative.

    This one is interesting over the age of sixty a study has shown that high LDL cholesterol individuals live as long as low LDL cholesterol individuals.

    https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/6/6/e010401

    The point I am making is that the connection is not simple, statistical evidence says there is a connection and has done for decades, your evidence regards diabetes is very convincing and clearly has value, but inside a human body we still don't really understand all the interactions of all elements that participate in the metabolism of a single individual.

    Regards his Hydroxychloroquine comments and opinions on SARS-CoV-2 I am questioning him, that's where my concerns are.

    edit: that link to the BMJ paper is one of his Peer Reviewed papers he is one of the authors so maybe I made a mistake quoting that as it is specifically criticised in the rational wiki page :D shows how easy it is to get circular feedback with web searches :D
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  7. oss
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    Here's another possible reason for the kind of graphs we are seeing right now.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54000629

    and from a chemistry viewpoint I can understand this, the PCR process is a violent amplifier, 'violent' might be the wrong word but it takes minute amounts of DNA or RNA and produces so many copies that you can chemically work with the sample, it is a very effective amplifier.

    Amplification of parts of inactive virus RNA is quite plausible, thus you could be sampling the asymptomatic population a month or more after they were infected and this would explain the low hospitalisation and death rates while you have a high case rate.

    That still leaves you with a 1000 people a day dying from the virus in the USA a country that did not radically change its behaviour except in a few localities.
  8. Anon220806
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    The egg provides food for the embryo. Just like with the placenta in the womb. Man has been eating eggs as far back as hominids came on the scene and not cornflakes or toast. It’s since we all stopped eating saturated fats and started eating carbs in huge quantities that modern day chronic conditions have developed. The real RCT for the western diet that we know has been the last 50 years. Sure eggs don’t provide everything but they provide a LOT more than a bowl of cereal and a slice of toast. On the cholesterol : GPs in the Liverpool region have proven with their patients that cholesterol does not lead to heart disease. This is another fallacy that you and I have been indoctrinated with since the 60s and 70s.

    Whatever the RCTs show in favour of reduced saturated fat, in practice at the surgery, GPS are finding the opposite. They record the patients health markers and watch their progress on higher fat lower carb diets eating plenty eggs, cheese etc etc.

    Here is someone going through the evidence on saturated fat:

  9. oss
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    John I'm just playing, eggs make Chickens, Chickens make eggs, other creatures eat some potential Chickens, we are still the planet of the Chickens and not the planet of the Apes :D 50 billion Chickens now they think, jeez and that's while I am trying my best to scramble them every day and I expect about 7 billion other Apes are doing their best to scramble, boil or poach them every day too :D (and eat the ones that make to adulthood :D)

    The RCT (Randomised Control Trials) yes the last 80 years I might have said rather than 50, there were concerns that I remember about processed foods in the 1960s and even in the 60s my parents were obese.

    Remember I am saying statistical connection not causative linkage, I am agreeing that it could be much more complex.
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  10. oss
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    You won't like this mate:

    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Zoë_Harcombe

    A lot of what she said in the video you posted previously which I did watch all the way through, yes it made a lot of sense, I have not watched this one yet.
  11. Anon220806
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    I know. There are a lot of vested interests in encouraging a low fat high carb diet. Remember the Coco cola video featuring Robert Lustig. Well it’s well established now that Big Food want you to buy and eat their produce and Big Pharma want you to consume their drugs once you become chronically sick from those foods. They don’t want you or I to eat good fresh wholesome foods. They don’t want you to be drug free, They want to make money. We have all fallen for it. You and me included.

    Dr Zoe Harcombe is speaking to a lecture theatre full of GPs and other HCPs. Big Food don’t like anyone claiming their food products have given the world rampant obesity and diabetes. So they don’t like her. Or Robert Lustig.

    Unfortunately as patients we are left to fend for ourselves. But we know from what’s being sold in fast food outlets, restaurants and supermarkets what the nation is eating so many of us haven’t worked it out yet.
  12. Anon220806
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    See what she says about Ancel Keys btw. His 7 nation study. He is largely to blame for it all. If you look at the Ancel Keys study, how it was completed and it’s legacy, maybe the penny will drop for you.
  13. Anon220806
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    Try this lady @oss

    We need to talk about food...



    She operates in Cheshire / Liverpool. She is a GP. There are quite a few like her around.
    GPs like her don’t provide maintenance, they provide reversal.
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    John again I am not disagreeing about fats or the diets for diabetes that you are suggesting.

    I am NOT disagreeing.
  15. Anon220806
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    Phew. :D

    It’s a very sensitive topic. And of course very personal. And at the moment there are ongoing diet wars called The Diet Wars. Which means there is a lot of disagreement amongst the myriad of experts and interests and not to mention the general public at all. Not sure if I said but I am aiming to set up a local Low Carb Facebook Group in my town. I have asked around to gauge interest and there is some about and am trying to get the two local GP surgeries on board. I hope there aren’t many that will throw the laws of thermodynamics at me. :D I am presuming those that join will be looking for help so it should be easy enough.
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    I wonder about the unassisted, the instructions supplied with my kit implied that it was easy to get it wrong by touching the tongue rather than the tonsils and it is really hard even with a mirror to get it absolutely right.

    Anyway good that you were negative.
  18. bigmac
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    tonsils-- ? not had any since i was 5 years old.
  19. Anon220806
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    The problem was as soon as I touched the tonsils I gagged. Hard to do thoroughly. No problem up the nose though.
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    My wife often gags.:D
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