Government facing Brexit defeat in Lords over EU nationals

That is a massive IF. But you carry on portraying your hypothesis as undocumented fact

Do I take it then that you do not like Mr Farage?

I do not recall Nigel making any promises on the NHS, he in fact as you should know did not belong to the official leave campaign, he had his own purple double decker bus if you remember rightly, not the big red bus with the NHS £350 million claim on the side.

And is Nigel having a German wife relevant in any way?

What a loaded question! Ask me again when the government has announced what will replace it.

What has that got to do with anything?

Not massive at all. Any threatened or actual visa requirement to holiday in Europe will have a serious negative impact on the British travel industry and on popular destinations such as Spain, Greece, Italy and Malta.

Farage separated from his German wife, Kirsten, "quite some time ago" having led separate lives for a number of years. So it is rather unlikely that Farage was sleeping with an EU migrant at any time relevant to the campaign.

As they say "Never let the facts get in the way of a good rant"

Oh, it's very relevant. Complaining about immigration whilst contributing to the "problem" can be seen to be hypocritical. "Do as I say ,not as I do".

BTW the anti-establishment Farage is still getting upset by his lack of knighthood

http://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/03/the-real-reason-nigel-farage-hates-douglas-carswell/

Still, he's your hero and hats off to you for also subscribing to the "Do as I say, not as I do" mantra.

So his anti-EU immigration follows the timeline of his own relationship to an EU Migrant? If so, he's now coming across as neurotic. If not, then my original point still holds. "Do as I say, not as I do".

Sorry, that was meant to read 1997. You make the House of Lords problem sound like a Labour issue. It goes much further than that. That it is a gravy train for Andrew Lloyd Webber, Sugar and Brady - it always has been.

When you were advocating Britain leaving the EU, it was all to do with us controlling, among other things, our borders. Now you are baulking that other countries want to control their borders, including the country you live in. It seems to be a case of "You lot, vote to leave, I think 'we' should leave, it won't affect me I'm living in the EU. Oh heck, this could be affecting me now, let's blame the EU, it couldn't possibly be the result of May's conversations, it's all to do with Juncker, Merkel and other Germans. Achtung!!"

Nigel made a few promises that he reneged on at 7:30am on June 24th. He needs a knighthood for his services to fairy tales.

What does the team think about this question posed - by an obvious Remainer (watch the programme on iPlayer and you'll agree) - during last night's Question Time from Bedford:

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This lady seems to belong to a liberal elite who view migrant workers as being there to serve and make their lives more comfortable; they don't appear to recognize that there are tens of thousands of continental Europeans in "real" jobs and professions. People like my doctor who has just returned to Gozo from a five year stint in cardio-thoracics at Bristol Royal Infirmary. People like the thousands of nurses from Portugal, Latvia and Poland, like the many teachers from France, Spain, Italy and Germany. All these people are necessary to our economy, unskilled and itinerants less so.

We will continue to need well-trained and skilled workers from Europe and beyond; long may they continue to arrive and contribute. What we don't need are unskilled job seekers and benefits claimants - we have plenty of our own. We need a return to Victorian values where work ethics are concerned and a mindset that believes any job is preferable to none.

The lady lacks information, like the majority of the electorate.

Just to be clear, the ECHR is not an EU body in any way whatsoever. What the Right whingers do after brexit is also unrelated as Cameron promised to do the same on the basis of remaining in the EU. This is just a brexiteer smoke and mirror exercise. Totally unrelated events. There are 47 members of the ECHR.

We work within the political systems we have, like Farage being an MEP which is the height of hypocrisy. Cameron blocked lords reform, not Clegg.

Farage is a spokesman on fisheries for his political group. How many of the 42 meetings do you think he's attended? I could count them on one hand assuming I had three fingers and a thumb amputated.

Again I disagree, she can make that decision now. She is using it as a bargaining chip not the EU. The EU never even brought it up until she did.

I not only advocated it, I voted for it! I was that 'turkey voting for Christmas' but in so doing, I wasn't so concerned about my future but those of my two children who I shall advise to make their lives there.

Theresa May has offered to guarantee that EU migrants living and working in the UK may continue to do so post-Brexit but that this, of necessity, needs a reciprocal undertaking from the EU that British migrants living in elsewhere in the EU will also be similarly protected. It is a human rights issue and of great concern to some 3.3 million EU migrants in the UK and 1.3 million Brits in Europe which is why May offered to have this agreement made quickly, before Brexit negotiations, to put both sets of migrants' minds can be put at ease. But, to her great discredit, Merkel vetoed this suggestion and refuses to make any agreements prior to Britain triggering Article 50.

You may think this is all fine and dandy - as far as Brits abroad are concerned (if you even consider them), but not for our European guests. The House of Lords - supported by you and other Remainers, it has to be said - place the plight of EU migrants as far more important than that of British migrants (who mostly supported and voted to REMAIN). The effect of this will be that whilst EU migrants' futures in the UK would be guaranteed, those of Brits abroad won't be known until the European Parliament votes on the final Brexit deal - and that may be at least two years away.

I think it's fair to suppose that the Mediterranean states (to my mind a preferable term to "PIGS Nations") will want British Expats to continue living in their continental homes since we are a valued source of revenue. It is the northern states, who in any event have far fewer British migrants, who are in a vengeful mindset. We have all read that:

• President Juncker of the European Commission demands that Britain’s post-Brexit economy cannot be allowed to grow faster than the Eurozone;
• President Tusk of the European Council saying his demands will not be aiming at a workable agreement, but to frighten us into begging to come back in;
• President Hollande of France insists that Britain must pay a heavy penalty for leaving;
• Chancellor Merkel is warning German industry that it must not mind its trade with the UK being disrupted for the higher good of damaging Britain.

and whilst those measures mainly relate to trade, they illustrate the vengeful frame of mind the EU negotiators will possess on entering the negotiating chamber. I fully expect the rich northern bullies - Germany in particular - to coerce and bully the Mediterranean states into agreeing to terminate the residency rights of British nationals, their families and dependants. Simply as a part of the overall punishment package to be meted-out - Tusk's demands are especially pertinent.

The EU's Freedom of Movement laws will require amending as will the Convention on the Law of Treaties (Vienna Convention) before any migrants can be removed from any member state, so our future - and that our our European counterparts - is guaranteed in practice. There was, therefore, absolutely no need for the Lords amendment - an amendment that had already been voted down in the Commons. And I rather think it will be again.

Which demonstrates that the May Conservative government puts people first!

Mark my words, that good old boy Nigel will be getting a Knighthood sometime in the future

And the EU isn't using British expats as bargaining chips?

You do talk a load of Liberal claptrap but I like it, long may you continue to oppose my views

I wish Andrew would come back to the political threads

I forgot, you're the one who is blessed with having a crystal ball and know it all