Home Office splits British man from his wife 10 months after she gives birth to their daughter

I can't disagree with you at all, but common sense and compassion have no place in today's Civil Service. Indeed, in their training phase, all Home and Foreign Office staff are required to wear an electric shock collar, which is activated whenever they attempt to use their own intelligence or humanity when dealing with the hoi-polloi, particularly hoi-polloi from the continent, the colonies, or God Forbid, from elsewhere.

BZZZAP!

They soon learn to behave as their masters wish.

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Quote: I can't disagree with you at all, but common sense and compassion have no place in today's Civil Service. Indeed, in their training phase, all Home and Foreign Office staff are required to wear an electric shock collar, which is activated whenever they attempt to use their own intelligence or humanity when dealing with the hoi-polloi, particularly hoi-polloi from the continent, the colonies, or God Forbid, from elsewhere.

BZZZAP!

They soon learn to behave as their masters wish.

CampelloChris, Today at 4:20 PM


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Well, thanks for insulting my brother, who has been with the FCO for over 40 years, rising to department head, ie, Ambassador rank... and bears no resemblance to your nasty description, I can assure you.

You can blame the enormous number of parasites, chancers, and cheats for many of the tight regulations we now all have to abide by.
When I used to work for the Department of Employment, we had to endure a lot of this bitching and moaning too, from claimants, who of course conveniently chose to overlook the enormous range of individual circumstances (and possible fraud) that we had to take into account, when arriving at fair and correct decisions.

You can blame the enormous number of parasites, chancers, and cheats for many of the tight regulations we now all have to abide by.
When I used to work for the Department of Employment, we had to endure a lot of this bitching and moaning too, from claimants, who of course conveniently chose to overlook the enormous range of individual circumstances (and possible fraud) that we had to take into account when arriving at fair and correct decisions.

Eloquently put old chap! (no insult intended)

Isnt that what this guy is... a chancer? IMO he is. Took a chance at circumventing the rules and then shouting from the roof tops that he has had a hard time... whatever!

correct and this is why rules are needed simple really

I hardly think 3 disagrees constitutes "a lot" Chris

yours was for the £27000 3 kids bit which I then noticed BigMac had corrected in the next post

But overall Members in a forum of Folk Married to Foreigners thinking that our Government is justified in separating families on spurious grounds that they had to "pay" or that it will "cost" us money ,is in my view a sad reflection of the loverly tories success in getting the public to fight each other so we don't notice whats actually going on.

Who thinks a Brit left on his own with three young children will be able to work without his missus to support the family ?

Utter nonsense

He ASS U ME d never assume!
What did he do wrong in his employment to be dismissed with immediate effect?
Would he of stayed abroad and not lived in HIS country had he not been dismissed?
Using the UK as a fall back position!
It will cost the UK money I would rather my taxes went to the war veterans than chancers.
Have you donated to his crowd funding page?

Sad story really but to his own making

Yeah very sad story, so sad for the kids in all off this, no compassion whatsoever anyone ???

No but I have to this one

https://www.crowdjustice.com/case/secretbrexitstudies/

We are where we are due to the situation the Conservative coalition government inherited from its predecessors.

Apparently not. In the week since Mr Newton created his appeal for £40,000, only 14 people have donated a total of £485. It seems not to be a popular appeal.

Happily stood corrected on the 27k remark I made, and marked bigmac's post as informative once I'd seen my mistake.

If anyone really took my 'electric shock collar training programme' seriously, then I suggest that they themselves undergo a little shock therapy in the hope of restarting your sense of humour. I don't know your brother. Indeed, I don't even know if he exists at all. He could be someone you made up as an imaginary friend for all I know.

I haven't heard you mention him before.

Just saying.

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I have!

Well, you know, a wise man keeps his powder dry.

He also used to head up the visa section at the FCO (worldwide), as well as important overseas posts.

Naturally I don't go into detail, because he has a right to his privacy. Needless to say, an interesting man to talk to. Perhaps if some people weren't so damned rude and disrespectful on this board, I might be able to be of more help.

Also just saying.

Funnily enough, no mention of this altruistic superhero was made when I could have done with some help. Particularly regarding the FCO's penchant for sitting on their hands and doing bugger all with reference to the Spanish requirement for registration of a foreign marriage in the UK.

Perhaps when intervention might have had some positive outcome, my wife wouldn't have had to spend so many nights sleeping on a plywood shelf.
Perhaps I wouldn't have been driven half-apoplectic with rage at the lack of intervention on my behalf in the face of such unfair, prejudiced and illegal actions by the Spanish.

But he probably had to oversee the preparation of some canapes. Got to prioritise!

Please don't put the blame on me, because it makes you look a little condescending, and a bit of a knob. (the bell-shaped end bit)

Still just saying.

Sorry, but your sarcasm and basic rudeness is of little consequence to me. A rod for your own back though, by the looks of it.

Pot, Kettle. After a burst of surprisingly helpful posts since your return, the old Graham re-emerges. It doesn't surprise me that you found your calling in the department of employment. I can just see someone like you working in a job center. Would suit your unpleasant temperament.

I actually feel sorry for the man in the newspaper article. Were I to be in a similar position and unfamiliar with the rules I would also expect some understanding. It's not a nice situation to be in when you're laid off or fired especially when abroad. Dismissal doesn't always imply he didn't anything wrong. It may be that his contract was terminated for any number of reasons. I also have no problem with him choosing to return to he UK. He was born here and he can come back whenevee he wishes. It wouldn't hurt the home office to allow any of us to return with our families and find a job and then apply. Indeed I have a problem with the whole notion of income being tied to the right to a family life with my wife.

I know most people here have been there and familiar with rules and I think that probably makes us, as a body, less sympathetic than we could be.

I resent the British government attitude in this. In another 5 months I'll have to find money to pay about six thousand quid for my wife and 2 kids first FLR(m) and IHS surcharge. I don't see why I should have to pay the British government so much money in order to keep my family together. I also resent the fact that the rules meant that I had to spend a year assembling paperwork before making my first application for a visa. Had I had a young child at that point, I would have been extremely unhappy.
Think he deserves a break.

I'd love to share your optimism, but I think that no amount of public outrage will sway the decision makers. It seems to be the kind of case in which those who could exercise common sense and compassion choose not to do so, smug in their reliance upon a one-size-fits-all rulebook.

There must have previously been fraud on an industrial scale for Britain to have imposed such stringent regulations upon its own populace. I never once imagined (prior to becoming involved with a non-EU) that things were either so expensive or so ridiculously difficult. I would read the paper, and every now and then come across a story of some fellow having finally won his five-year £10,000 battle against the authorities....and pretty much skim over it, or make the assumption that there was something fishy going on. But quite often there was nothing fishy. It was just a couple (and sometimes kids) who simply didn't fit into any of the holes on top of the box, and were rejected because of that.

I feel empathy towards this latest in a long line of people who have fallen foul of Draconian regulations designed to stop other people. I feel sympathetic that for some reason, he and his family don't form the required star shape, and pass through the hole in the lid. I think my first reaction to this story was wrong.

I think that he, like me, would have skimmed over many of the newspaper stories, and in his ignorance, never had a clue how stringent the UK's entry procedures have become, and how they can split families without a shred of conscience. Telling the mother to Skype her kids is appalling, as is leaving the father to find an £18.6k a year job while sole-parenting three young children.

Of course, reading the story, one automatically assumes that he has done something wrong. But in reality, his 'crime' was to assume that a vein of common sense could be applied to the immigration rules, when in fact, very little common sense exists. For the sake of the family, I hope they manage to untangle the red tape soon. The miniscule, apathetic response to his Just Giving campaign would suggest that his will be a long lonely journey, and possibly highlights exactly how cowed and acquiescent we have all become in the face of overwhelmingly, unnecessarily Draconian bureaucracy.

Standard Issue UKBF decision-making equipment.

"Perhaps if some people weren't so damned rude and disrespectful on this board,"

ha ha ha ha--brilliant. now ive heard it all!

oh dear!!