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Coronavirus in the UK

Discussion in 'Health and Fitness' started by aposhark, Mar 4, 2020.

  1. Druk1
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    Looks like it’s Iceland this year then.
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    Or the Falklands :oops:
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  9. Anon220806
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    So. Mrs Ash had the Pfizer jab today. Whilst her Mom in the Philippines had the Sino jab today!
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    One family member has been giving vaccinations in the PI this week, phoned another family member and told him to get a note from the doctor saying he has asthma (he hasn't) then take it to the vaccine centre, ask for her, and she will give him his shot.
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    copied from elsewhere:
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    Another new scientific study has concluded that it is more likely than not that the COVID pandemic originated with a virus engineered inside a lab.

    Dr. Stephen Quay and Berkeley physics professor Richard Muller revealed the findings in The Wall Street Journal Sunday, noting that “The most compelling reason to favor the lab leak hypothesis is firmly based in science.”

    The scientists added that “COVID-19 has a genetic footprint that has never been observed in a natural coronavirus.”

    The research points to the genome sequencing of the virus ‘CGG-CGG’, which is one of 36 sequencing patterns observed, but does not occur in nature.

    “The CGG-CGG combination has never been found naturally. That means the common method of viruses picking up new skills, called recombination, cannot operate here,” the scientists assert.

    “A virus simply cannot pick up a sequence from another virus if that sequence isn’t present in any other virus,” they add, while also noting that the CGG-CGG combination IS commonly used in ‘gain of function’ research, which is known to have been used with coronaviruses at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

    The scientists urge that those who believe COVID-19 jumped from animals to humans “must explain why it happened to pick its least favorite combination: CGG-CGG.”

    They further ask for an explanation as to “Why did it replicate the choice the lab’s gain-of-function researchers would have made?”

    “Yes, it could have happened randomly, through mutations. But do you believe that?” the authors of the study ask, adding “At the minimum, this fact—that the coronavirus, with all its random possibilities, took the rare and unnatural combination used by human researchers—implies that the leading theory for the origin of the coronavirus must be laboratory escape.”

    This latest study comes on the heels of a revitalised focus on scientific research by Professor Angus Dalgleish of St George’s Hospital, University of London and Norwegian virologist Birger Sorensen which presents compelling evidence suggesting the virus was manufactured in a laboratory.

    As the scientists noted, they were ostracised and ignored until recently when intelligence findings revealed that workers at the Wuhan lab fell sick with COVID-19 symptoms in November 2019.

    As the global pandemic unfolded, scores of scientists came forward suggesting the genome sequencing of the virus was unnatural, and should be further investigated. The lab leak theory was effectively shut down by scientists led by Dr Peter Daszak who “orchestrated a ‘bullying’ campaign and coerced top scientists into signing off on a letter to The Lancet journal aimed at removing blame for Covid-19 from the Wuhan lab he was funding with US money.” "
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    Had my second jab today, the nurse told me they expect 1100 people to be vaccinated there today. Screenshot_20210607_215947.jpg
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    Good to see Boris is still prime minister in 2051 :)
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    what i dont get is--with the covid phone app: if my phone warns me to self isolate because ive been in close proximity to a person who is positive--how does the app system know?--its because the person must have TESTED positive and the result put into the system--right ? So why isnt the person self isolating when they must know they are positive !!.
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    You are missing time from the equation Malcolm.

    Someone gets infected 7 days ago, you were in close proximity to them 5 days ago for long enough and at a short enough distance as identified by the strength of the bluetooth signal on both of your phones.

    During that 7 days the first person has no clue that they are infected, in the meantime you and everyone else that person has been close to in the last 7 days and all your contacts and close encounters could potentially be infected.

    On the 6th day the person who did get infected realises they got infected and gets a test be it a quick lateral flow test or a PCR test, it comes back positive, they go to their phone and report this, this is X number of days after they actually got infected, at that point the app uses a notification mechanism to inform the entire chain of contacts that they could have been exposed.

    Now you have to remember that you are very unlikley to be immediately infectious to others on the same day you got infected, it will take several days for you to start pumping out virus particles with every breath, the modellers who designed the app will have taken this into account and prune all the branches before a set time, your contact was at 5 days so you will probably be pruned and not notified as the odds of you being infected on day 2 of the other person's infection are low.

    But those whose proximity in time and space is closer to the moment of reporting will be notified.

    It is a temporal application Malcolm one that works backwards in time.

    The scary thing about Covid is that unlike most viruses it manages to hide symptoms for an extended period of time because it has genetic coding mutations that so happen to help it evade the body's immune system.

    Most viruses will cause the host to be symptomatic in three days, Covid can take 10 days or more before symptoms appear but be replicating all over the place from a couple of days after it finds a host, that's what makes it so dangerous, silent spread.

    Track and trace using the app cannot work effectively when case numbers are huge, it would have been most effective when case numbers were low because the trees that need notified are much smaller.

    And we are back at huge case numbers, it will probably go to 300 or 400,000 a day by the end of August as Johnson et al are finally just going for the herd immunity approach they wanted all along, they have decided that they can afford a whole load of extra people dying now, that's their vaccine programme reward they can let tens of thousands more die and hundreds of thousands more be left crippled by this thing and the electorate will let them off with it now.
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    Bloody hell.
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    It looks like infections are ramping up now. Deaths are going up too but how high will they go? Will vaccinations keep the death rate down to an acceptable level? Who decides what’s acceptable? All will be revealed…
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    Should that have been "are" ramping up? :)

    Basically if you end up in hospital there is a fairly high chance that you will die, nothing much has changed on that front, but your chances of ending up in hospital in the first place are much lower.

    We shouldn't have opened up until the population was fully double vaccinated with around 90% of the entire population not just the adults fully vaccinated at that point the opportunities for the virus would have been limited and it would have had less goes at evading immunity, this way round it gets lots of chances to wriggle out of the vaccine box.

    Oh we all know Boris gets to decide what's acceptable ;)

    Yeah all will be revealed in episode one of the next season of PANDEMIC the blockbuster no one wants to watch :D
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